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A French friend asked me recently, โ€œDavid, do I look gay?โ€

Without a second of hesitation, I replied, โ€œYes, absolutely.โ€

โ€œWhy?โ€ he said.

โ€œWell, for one thing,โ€ I told him, โ€œYouโ€™re Frenchโ€”which makes you suspect. Another is that youโ€™re wearing a pink polo shirt. You also answer your emails quickly and you spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about your hair.โ€

โ€œAnd you have a nice butt,โ€ I added for good measure, perhaps because heโ€™s a rugby player.

So how does one tell the difference between a man whoโ€™s European or one whoโ€™s gay?


Itโ€™s difficult, let me tell you. Thereโ€™s even an online test so you can see how well you can spot the difference, as well as one for women too. (I failed miserably at both. I canโ€™t help it: unless youโ€™re a water polo player, short hair on women just screams Rosie.)

But for men, makes it especially hard to tell the difference in Paris is the Man-Purse.

Few men in America would be caught dead tossing a pint-size, gay-like bag over their shoulder. But here in Paris, you see them all the time, draped over everyoneโ€™s armโ€”from dapper gents to wanna-be home โ€˜boyzโ€™ (and the real ones too) with baggy jeans slunk somewhere mid-thigh, caps twisted sideways and weird facial hair patterns that theyโ€™ll wince at the memory of once theyโ€™re older. (Like those hopefully long-lost photos of me wearing dark brown corduroy elephant bell-bottoms and oversized Foster Grants. What was I thinking?) But also the government practically forces men here to look gay.

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In France, one must always keep their Carte dโ€™Identitรฉ on them, and for some reason is much too large to fit in a billfold which would fit in your back pocket of your pants or inside pocket of your jacket. So you need to find some other way to carry it around.

Another part of the problem is pickpockets. While the problem exists everywhere, on crowded mรฉtros and elsewhere, a slippery wallet in your back pocket makes you an easy target. So to many, the Man-Purse is almost a necessity of life.

I donโ€™t have one. And would feel funny about putting one of those little sissy bags over my shoulder and strutting down the street.

But when I go out, I do need to bring along a small messenger bag to hold my goodies, which include my wallet, sunglasses, a chapstick, my Moleskine, my guide des arrondissements, keys, business cards, a back-up chapstick, my Laguiole knife, another chapstick (just in case), the omnipresent zippered trousse of pens that are de rigeur in France, and Carmex.

Maybe because I lived so many years in San Francisco, where things were much cleared, Iโ€™m happy to live somewhere where itโ€™s hard to tell. It keeps me on my toes.

Itโ€™s nice living somewhere where itโ€™s unclear since it makes every meeting a guessing-game. Even the men with their wives and girlfriends in towโ€”although usually not at the same timeโ€”have a little lilt in their step, if you ask me.

So Iโ€™m going to keep resisting wearing a Man-Purse for as long as possible. And if you do ever come across me in Paris, and you see Iโ€™m wearing one, please bitch-slap me until I take it off.

Either that, or Iโ€™m going to start sporting pink polo shirts, will work more diligently on improving my French accent, and spend considerably more time on whatโ€™s remains of my hair than I do now.

Iโ€™ll also need to find a rugby club to join.
Once Iโ€™m done with all that, maybe Iโ€™ll feel comfortable slinging a little bag over my shoulder. And when and if that happens, you can be sure Iโ€™ll be marching with Man-Purse Pride around the streets of Paris.

(But donโ€™t hold your breath.)

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    • The TriniGourmet

    Hysterical :D My 78 year old father is very fond of his man-purse :D

    • materfamilias

    so funny! My husband relies on his laptop-like case (he doesnโ€™t carry a laptop, but a slim version of that kind of case is useful for bringing files back and forth, along with lunch, etc.) As of his birthday, heโ€™s also now got a trim cool Diesel messenger bag, carefully chosen by our daughter โ€” this was after he started using one of the freebie messenger bags he got as a gift from some conference or otherโ€“not cool at all! So weโ€™re ready for walking around Paris again next spring. . .

    • yoshi

    its simple โ€“ European men (in general โ€“ there are exceptions) have a higher level of confidence in themselves than american men. So they donโ€™t get freaked out if someone hits on them or considers them gay. Many take it as a compliment.

    And speaking as a gay man โ€“ no man (american, european, straight or gay, or whatever) should ever been seen wearing pink polo shirts. Ever. Evvvveer.

    • Alisa

    ahhhh David, David, David ;)

    • Sarie

    as a straight woman generally attracted to burly, husky men, i actually enjoy the occasional pink poloโ€ฆperhaps even with a flipped collarโ€ฆand maybe a faux-hawk. i know, weird.

    • Brian

    David, I hope you enjoy one of my favorite little Interweb games.

    Cheers,
    Brian

    • flavia

    I actually love those pink Lacoste polo shirtsโ€ฆ But I had serious problems with those red jeans in Italy a few years backโ€ฆ And, please, please, fight the urge to wear those man-purse as long as humanly possible!!!!! It is like the plague : once you are caught in it, it is hard to get rid of itโ€ฆ (or so I hearโ€ฆ) :)

    • Brian

    Dammitโ€ฆ oops. Didnโ€™t see that you already posted the test. That probably says something about reading to the bottom before posting things. Iโ€™ll just be going to look for my Ritalin now.

    • Marvin

    If I were ever lucky enough to meet you on the streets of Paris, I would definitely not bitch-slap youโ€“Man Purse or not! But maybe I would point and laugh;)

    • Sara, Ms. Adventures in Italy

    ahahahahahโ€ฆI bought a man-purse for my (Italian) husband when I was in Paris!! :) He loves it, of course. And now he doesnโ€™t ask me to carry things anymore. I like a man-bag, honestly.

    I love that about Italiansโ€ฆthough Iโ€™m verifying that with other European men as wellโ€ฆthey will not only wear a man-bag, they will carry our purses as well, without a blink! American men need to lighten up and get more confident as a previous commenter said.

    • Caroline in DC

    I failed miserably at the โ€œSpot the Lesbianโ€ test and I AM gay, but then Iโ€™ve always had trouble spotting other lesbians. Part of the problem is that I donโ€™t fit any of the stereotypes myself, so I donโ€™t automatically expect other girls to either.

    Another part of it is what youโ€™ve touched on, that often people make fashion choices out of practicality than out of trying to make a sexuality statement. I wear skirts a lot because theyโ€™re cheaper than pants and a hell of a lot more confortable than having my legs encased in material, and some straight women have short haircuts because they just donโ€™t want to deal with long hair. This explains why a lot of women, especially American women, look more masculine and butch as they get older, regardless of their sexualityโ€“ theyโ€™ve just become more practical.

    Iโ€™ve always thought that, visually speaking, thereโ€™s a greater disitinction between gay and straight men than between gay and straight women because itโ€™s more acceptable for a straight girl to be a tomboy than for a straight man to be girly. So you see a lot of girls that straddle the line but most men make it clear what their orientation is. This doesnโ€™t seem to apply as much to Europeans, though.

    • cookworm

    I love this post, especially because itโ€™s something I tease my European boyfriend about all the time. His man-purse, his insistence on not wearing scruffy t-shirts and jeans, his always clean-shaven faceโ€ฆ I must say itโ€™s sort of fun when people are left guessing. :)

    I also think that shoes are a good indicator of gayness/Europeanness versus American male. I never see Euro or gay guys wearing crusty and beat-up trainers for anything but exercise, do you?

    • Mark Douglas

    It sure would be easy in Iranโ€ฆ

    I hear that there are just no gays to be found. It is a direct quote from their President, so it must be trueโ€ฆ

    Funny thing is, I can see the Iranian President wearing a pink polo shirtโ€ฆtoo funny David!

    • good enough cook

    At some point my husband got a man-purse-equivalent which he insisted on calling his โ€œfield bagโ€ until the ridicule he received became too much to bear. (And now that heโ€™s usually schlepping his laptop around everywhere, heโ€™s got a big padded messenger bag to hold his other incidentalsโ€ฆ)

    But I wonder: how many men are turning their wives into beasts of burden in order to maintain the heteromasculine and bagless image? โ€œOh honey, could you just throw this in your purseโ€ฆ?โ€ and there go the sunglasses, cellphone, addressbook, tissues, hand sanitizer, you name itโ€ฆโ€

    I think itโ€™s time we started judging men by the size of their manbags. The man with a bag is prepared for anything and prepared to carry his own weight.

    • Pamela

    I have a pair of Swedish friends, both male, that my American friends ask, gay or European. They both dress nicely and have lovely hair. Personally I like a well groomed guy!

    But David, I have something very serious to ask you aboutโ€ฆKouign Amann. I had it while visiting in Brittany, a local friend told me that is available only in the area and I immediately became obsessed. My first attempt resulted in the sugar, not caramelizing but becoming more of a hard candy coating on top and chunky bits below. And because I have such good friends they eat it anyway (and liked it!)even after I told them not to. My second attempt resulted in carmelizing on top, good, yes, but below was still a bit chunky! I read you directions Kouign Amann and thought I followed them pretty well but still not the deliciousness I had in France.

    Can you tell me, after the first chill, you roll again, at that point has the butter worked its way into the dough or is it still chunky. My butter was in chunky bits as it went into the pan and I think that may be the problem. Any thoughts? (using butter from Brittany BTW). I am thinking of just creaming the butter and sugar and experimenting a bit! What could it hurt?

    • Krizia

    I canโ€™t believe David Lebovitz actually wrote a post almost entirely dedicated to the โ€œmurseโ€ :D This has been an object of recent talk between me and my girlfriends. Shamefully, we do tend to ridicule it, but itโ€™s nice to see why it is a necessity dans lโ€™Europe!

    • Lucy Vanel

    This does seem like an alternative to the Chevreuil look, bulging wallet in the front pocket, making my man look slightly like a minotaur. I will consider proposing it, although I am also seduced by the idea of the field bag idea. Thank you David, for bringing these possibilities to my attention.

    • tokyoastrogirl

    The MURSE! Thatโ€™s what I would call my husbandโ€™sโ€ฆbut then I think it actually hurt his feelings so I stopped. He just saw this Bally bag (brown, worn leather, beautiful stitching) at the Sydney Airport Duty Free and had to have it. I do think itโ€™s gorgeous, and Iโ€™ve really come to love the way he looks with it on. He might not be gay, but heโ€™s definitely a murse-carrying Metrosexual, which is fine by me. Better than dirty sneakers and baggy jeansโ€ฆ.blech!

    • nan

    I donโ€™t live in Europe but it would be hard for accurately spotting gay men, true. So many cultural differences vs. the U.S.
    I went to a well-known womenโ€™s college in the U.S. where a huge percentage of the women looked (and go on looking, all their lives) gay, for some weird reason, so appearances canโ€™t be used in any guessing games there. Iโ€™m one of those people who wishes there was an easy way to tell, but on the other hand, it makes life interesting and unpredictable.

    • Sarah

    Your friend sounds stylish, indeed, but have you seen this site?

    • Hillary

    Haha! I absolutely love this quote: โ€œBut also the government practically forces men here to look gay.โ€

    I must say I have the worst gay-dar in the world, so if I were in France, Iโ€™d be clueless.

    • dddg

    I MUST take this opportunity to speak out against the polo shirt: donโ€™t!!! Itโ€™s a t-shirt that aspires to be a button-down, a shirtcollar that can never support a tie, a sham, a scam, an absolute disgrace. At least a man-purse is functional โ€” the polo is an insult to sensibility.

    • Lesley

    Do you remember the โ€œEuropean Menโ€™s Carryallโ€ from Seinfeld years back? So funnyโ€ฆ

    When we are in Paris my husband has an inexplicable urge to buy a man bag, wear his sweater around his shoulders and buy a pair of โ€œman-prisโ€โ€ฆMy 2 year old boy gets away with it much better in the States!!

    • nyc/caribbean ragazza

    Oh please, why are people hating on the pink polo shirt? I love them. And black men esp. chocolate ones like Taye Diggs look amazing in them. The shirts show off the definition in the arms andโ€ฆwait let me stop and get back to work.

    I love when Iโ€™m in Itay most men do not walk around looking crazy. Then I get on the plane back to Los Angeles and I swear you can easily pick out the Europeans. I donโ€™t get it. They are on the same flight, and yet I never see one wearing a large oversize t-shirt with some stupid saying on it, big white work out sneakers and a baseball cap.

    • johanna

    david, donโ€™t you generalise!
    i only WISH men around here dressed half as well as they do on the continent (especially those latin countries) โ€“ and that their bums looked half as good. why canโ€™t all single men be gay? (i say that from the safe position of a married woman having contributed our fair share of children to keep the civilisation and the pension system going ;-))

    • umami

    The latest trend is oversized bags with small handles, I canโ€™t imagine a straight man getting into that look right away.

    • Briana E

    My MOST favorite post yet!

    Itโ€™s actually getting harder to tell in the US (in some cities) now too.

    • Lisa T.

    This post totally reminds me of Graham Norton. He has a show on BBC (and BBC America) that is absolutely hillarious! He used to do a bit called โ€œGay or Euro-trash?โ€ which was essentially showing someone on the street and having the audience guess if they were gay or Euro-trash. My favorite was when they guy answered โ€œbothโ€.

    David, you forgot one of the essentials I saw you carry around in your messenger bag: your wood salt cellar. Yes, David carries his own container of fleur de sel. And thank goodness! It really does make a difference. He converted me to the world of good salt. My taste buds thank you David.

    • Annie

    I am not sure about this but how many men carry 4 chapsticks (3+carmex) on them, let alone one? Something to think aboutโ€ฆhaha.

    • DrBehavior

    I honestly believe that North American men that wonโ€™t carry a โ€˜murseโ€™ ought to get over themselves. As far back as I can remember, Iโ€™ve always carried one along with occasionally toting either a MedBag or a Brief Case. No one has ever looked askance at me nor have any friends questioned my sexuality. Albeit, some of my patients have had trouble with the concept of carrying a murse when it came to themselves. Iโ€™d have to conclude that like beauty being in the eye of the beholder โ€“ it all depends on the man thatโ€™s carrying the bag.

    • tom

    I donโ€™t know what the big deal is, but in the major cities of the US that I have lived in, men are always carrying around bagsโ€ฆgranted, not small โ€œman purses,โ€ rather messenger bags, laptop bags, etc., (or the worst, backpacks; hello, if you are over thirty, not a good look!)โ€ฆand they toss everything in there. Look at the stylish womenโ€™s purses now, that are as big as dufflebagsโ€ฆnot a whole lot of difference. And in my recent four month stay in Paris, I saw precious few of these teeny tiny man pursesโ€ฆwhat the heck can you put in them anyway, that you canโ€™t put in your pockets?
    Also, I agree with the poster that a clean polo shirt (I donโ€™t care what color) and a decent pair of pants and shoes that you see on most men in France, Italy, Spain, etc., looks ten times better than the โ€œuniformโ€ that most men in the US have taken on when not wearing a suit to the office: crappy, beat up t-shirt, baggy shorts, and flip-flopsโ€ฆand letโ€™s not forget the baseball cap, which is now a fashion accessory suitable for everywhere.

    • selena

    Man bags: also omnipresent in japan. An article on the phenomenon:

    Menโ€™s handbags in Tokyo
    .

    I also love the pink shirt. Additionally, men here tend to wear beautiful flowered button-down shirts in a variety of colors โ€“ and it looks great.

    I think people who are confident enough not to be hung up on whether or not they โ€œlook gayโ€ are attractive!

    • Erick Emmanuel

    you canโ€™t tell someoneโ€™s sexuality with those man-purses until you open one up!.. and find it lined with the rainbow flagโ€ฆ like mine =)~

    • Steven

    A few years ago I was living in Toronto and a friend of mine bought me an LV bag for Christmas, awed at his generosity I was horrified when I opened it up and there was this tiny little brown man purse staring back at me. It even had a thin leather strap with which to sling over my shoulder just in case it didnโ€™t look quite purse-like enough. Thankfully he understood when I told him I loved it but it was simply too small to hold all the things I needed to carry about, and I was able to exchange it for a nice simple black messenger bag.

    • Nicole from: For the Love of Food

    Ah, yes, the man-purse. I remember being very confused when I saw my host dad carrying one when I lived in Lyon. At first I thought he was carrying my host momโ€™s purse, but no, she had her ownโ€ฆ

    In Germany people tend to wear backpacksโ€ฆI like backpacks more.

    • David

    Steven: Whew! That was a close oneโ€ฆ

    • Doug

    The problem is that you start with an inexpensive canvass murse, and then the next thing you know, youโ€™re poking your head in Lancel, Hermes and Vuitton. Itโ€™s shameless!

    • Terrie

    David, you carry around a wood salt cellar in your murse? Oh, I love that! โ€ฆand I bet weโ€™d all love to get a glimpse of that Foster Grant/bell bottom photo. ;-)

    • Christy

    I just want to say that I love you.

    Hubbyโ€™s out of town, my daughter is vomiting and flu-like, my son has strep and impetigo. I came here for 4 minutes of respite from laundry and yet another Disney movie while they chill on the couch and I got this! Brilliant, funny and all that. Thanks!!!

    P.S. I like a guy in pink.

    • kevin

    David, all I can say here is, โ€œI love you!โ€

    (Okay, you KNOW that I have a lot more to say about this topic but this is a respectable site)
    :) Cheers

    • izzy

    I forwarded this to my best friend (hubby) because I thought he would appreciate it.

    He always carries a messenger bag, dresses well and gets lots of grief from friends and co-workers about his man purse. Fortunately, heโ€™s not lacking in the confidence dept., so yes I agree that confidence has a lot to do with pulling it off.

    One thing did make me go โ€œhmmโ€ฆโ€ he just called me to say that he got every question right on the quiz. He seems to think he has a โ€œgaydarโ€ gift??? : )

    • Laurie

    Oh God! Now I canโ€™t stop playing that game! In public no less! Next game, bear or burly man? Three top contenders โ€” that guy from Mythbusters, Tom Colicchio, and that guy from Sell This House. Need to watch American TV if you donโ€™t know who Iโ€™m talking about.

    You always make me laugh Dave, but this one demanded a contribution.

    • Kiriel

    You are SO right. My gaydar has become totally useless since I moved to Europe. Still, I must say that men here in Europe ARE more decorative than back home. They take so much more care of their personal appearance, work to keep their bodies fit, dress well. Its rough having to walk around surrounded by it, rather than visions of Aussie beer guts and stubbies!

    • karl

    Good work in your blog, itโ€™s a nice one.

    • Steamy Kitchen

    you should get bitch-slapped just for the fact ath you carry backup chapstick!! i hope you donโ€™t wear clear nail polish on too!!

    ;-)
    j

    • Claire

    Hah, this is so funny.
    Iโ€™ve just moved to France for a year to study and my friends and we keep having conversations along the lines of โ€œHe just seemed so gay!โ€ฆOr possibly just French.โ€

    • Atom

    This post is totally offensive. โ€œsissy bagsโ€? Every gay stereotype is reinforced and the tone presents the issue as if there is something wrong with โ€œlooking gayโ€. What does โ€œlooking gayโ€ even mean?
    Seriously- this is disturbing and sad.

    • Candace

    If my hubby wasnโ€™t from Germany, I would swear he was gay. He doesnโ€™t have a manbag yet, but does have a bright pink DKNY shirtโ€ฆ

    • dhyana rose

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    That was fun ! Iโ€™m still smiling.

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    • Judy

    Easy!
    Gay guys have better posture
    Non gays schlump around..
    I agree with Atom though

    • Julien

    Iโ€™m sorry but the gay-est thing you wrote about is how you carry 2 or 3 chapsticks with you at all time. Any more than zero chapstick is suspiciously metrosexual, but 2 or 3?
    Donโ€™t get caught in a Marais street holding your 2 sticks of lip moisturizers and wondering whether you feel like the pink strawberry or the fushia raspberry flavor.

    • Jerry

    Thanks for the laughs.

    My gaydar was all out of wack in Europe. Guys were hugging and kissing and they appeared to be as straight as anything. Iโ€™ll have to perfect it some more when Iโ€™m in Italy next spring! LOL

    • Garrett

    Thatโ€™s the thing about Europe. Metrosexuals (read: European men) send off every gaydar sensor. It pisses me off. How am I supposed to get laid when I donโ€™t know who to hit on?

    Thatโ€™s why I just carry a little nifty bungee card holder thingy (it has a name i suppose, i just dunno it).

    • nearandfar

    The difference between a European man and a gay man is this:
    One man bathes regularly and the other doesnโ€™t. Different cultures, and lifestyles. Vive la difference!

    • katydid

    Short hair screams Rosie?? PLEASE! Iโ€™m a straight woman who has had short hair (often shorter than Rosieโ€™s!) for almost 20 years simply because itโ€™s easy. Long hair is a PAIN IN THE ASS. I have occasionally been mistaken for a lesbian, and Iโ€™m sure itโ€™s a combination of my hair and my build (athletic); this always amuses me. I love the European metrosexual male, although I once dated a Scottish guy who was anything but well-groomed. Eek.

    • chanelle

    โ€œdark brown corduroy elephant bell-bottoms and oversized Foster Grantsโ€????!!

    photographic evidence please.
    sexy.
    :)

    • Brian B.

    Messenger bag, eh? Someoneโ€™s in denial. Face it, you carry a murseโ€“just a big baggy one. Not that thereโ€™s anything wrong with that.

    I got my first murse this summer, and for exactly the same reason: carte de sรฉjour needs a big wallet and the big wallet wonโ€™t fit in the little pocket. I got a small girly bag, but in super-manly roughed-up brown leather. It just holds the wallet, cell phone, keys, carte intรฉgrale, Laguiole pocketknife, ink pen and chapstick. Manly black-label ChapStick like your dad used to carry, of course.

    I have pretty much overcome my feelings of awkwardness while wearing it around Paris. I donโ€™t know if Iโ€™d take it out into the countryside, though. And Iโ€™m still very careful to make sure it isnโ€™t visible in the photos I post online for my family back in the States.

    Fortunately, it will be winter again soon and I can just stuff everything back into the pockets of my jacket and forget all this foolishness.

    • Katelyn

    Overly well-groomed men (and women, for that matter) make me feel squirmy. I mean, take care of yourself, sure. But thereโ€™s no need to push your cuticles back every day, right? There just arenโ€™t enough minutes in the day for such silliness.

    As for the man-purse, Iโ€™m all for it! Itโ€™s sensible! A hint for the guys too scared to carry a real murse: buy a camera case! But instead of stuffing a camera in there, use it as a murse.

    You will look manly and artistic, and if anyone finds out you are not in fact carrying a cameraโ€ฆ well. You deserve the shame.

    • Sandra

    Hmmm. Man bagsโ€“arenโ€™t they also known as messenger bags here in the US?
    But if men donโ€™t want to lose their wallets from their back pockets, whether from the elusive French ( or American) pickpocket, they might try what Mike learned years ago from working in NYCโ€“the front pants pocket.
    I guess men are finally also catching up with women who are now carrying purses or handbags the size of suitcases because we just have too much to carry around on a regular basis. Guilty!!
    And there is nothing better than a man who can and will wear a pink polo or other shirtโ€“great for the complexion ( like women as well). Dad always did ( and we are memorializing him thus) and Josh wears pink dress shirts as well. How else does Ralph Lauren et al make their billions?

    • Jonathan

    I had no idea there was such a thing as a man purse or โ€œmurseโ€. I just always grab my sunglasses, throw my Goyard Ambassade over my shoulder โ€” books, notepads, pens, wallet, PDA and cell phone all safely ensconced inside โ€” and head out the door to do whatever it is Iโ€™m doing that day. Havenโ€™t received any funny looks that I know of. Well, not any more than usual, I guess.

    Perhaps if I paired it with a pink polo shirt and a little bounce in my step?

    • Olivier

    That French friend of yours sounds like me David?!!

    And guess whatโ€ฆ Iโ€™ve cut my hair off big time!!
    I think I really look gay now.
    โ€ฆ
    What do you think?!!

    • Olivier

    Oh, and by the wayโ€ฆ in France, we call the Man-Purse un โ€˜baise-en-villeโ€™โ€ฆ

    • Madeleine

    Today I was catching up on posts Iโ€™ve missed and came across this one. Thank goodness I did because this is perhaps my favorite post ever! (Well, I should say favorite non-food post because lord knows I love drooling over all the delicious recipes you so graciously share with your loyal readers.) Vive the man bag!

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