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Clock - two hour goodbye

I am definitely slowing down, because ever since arriving in France, when Iโ€™m out and about, as midnight approaches, my head starts rolling back toward my neck, which I have to make an effort to snap back when Iโ€™m ร  table or at a party with mes amis franรงaiss. When I was younger, I regularly stayed awake until 2โ€ฆbut usually 3am, with friends and co-workers, drinking wine, bowling, or just watching tv after work, unwinding with the bakerโ€™s favorite dinner: A big bag of tortilla chips and a jar of salsa. Times have certainly changed, and now by 11pm, Iโ€™m ready to brush my teeth and hop in the sack, exhausted from another day of this constantly challenging thing called โ€œlife.โ€

Iโ€™m not much of a social animal, as people whoโ€™ve tried to corner me have discovered, which (judging by some of the awkward situations that Iโ€™ve found myself in), proves Iโ€™m not all that great at socializing. A lot of it comes from being squirreled away in the back of restaurant kitchens for thirty-five years, where it seems most conversations are about food, sex, cooking, sex, our lack of sleep, sex, who makes the best salsa, raunchy jokes, sex, and making sure the dishwasher is on your side. Because if not, they can really f**k you up. (And believe me, they will.) Nowadays, though, my biggest concern at night is simply remaining vertical.

When you go to a party in France, be it a dinner party or a get-together of another kind (even a rendezvous at a bar or restaurant), leaving is simply pas possible. Okay, itโ€™s not impossible, but the process can take a good two hours or so. At restaurants in France, itโ€™s considered rude to give someone the check before they are ready to leave. So people will linger as long as they want. (And they like to make sure that they do.) To me, it seems to be rude to be the first person to suggest leaving, even long after youโ€™ve finished up. From the looks I get when I suggest getting the check and settling up, itโ€™s like youโ€™re telling your friends, โ€œIโ€™ve had enough of you. Timeโ€™s up.โ€ And no one wants to be that person whoโ€™s the first to make a move toward leaving. Because no one wants to be the spoil sport, which seems to fall on my shoulders.

Parties are even harder, as thereโ€™s no crowd of people clustered at the bar, waiting for your table. (Although most Parisians are pretty good at being oblivious to people waiting behind them.) Because I donโ€™t want to be known as always being the spoil sport, I will brave it out until itโ€™s become a Herculean effort to keep my eyes open, and my head starts dropping and rolling around like itโ€™s going to come off its axis. An hour later, after Iโ€™ve started the process of leaving, when Iโ€™ve finally made it to the door, after weโ€™ve put on our coat and gathered the rest of our belongings, thereโ€™s the inevitable final goodbyes.

I was probably the only person in Paris to bemoan when the mรฉtro decided to run an extra hour on the weekends. In those days, no matter what was going on, no matter how long (and long-winded) someone was, someone would invariably jump up and announce they had to leave to catch the last mรฉtro, and others would hurriedly follow suit. Going to a dinner party, I knew there was a definite time-line for the evening, and that I would be in my favorite place in the world โ€“ home, and horizontal, in my nice comfy bed โ€“ not long after midnight. And after years in professional kitchens, I have learned to value each and every second of when I can be horizontal.

In spite of thinking of themselves as free-thinking individualists, Parisians collectively respected that dernier mรฉtro hour because they knew how impossible it was to catch a taxi late in the evening, especially on weekends. And I remember waiting in long, long taxi queues, bundled up behind twenty or more people, shivering in the cold, waiting as taxis came one-by-oneโ€ฆat irregular intervals, to pick up passengers. Services like Le Cab and Uber changed the landscape, but offer their own challenges. Mostly because in order to use them, you need to commader a driver on their apps. Once you do, and they say theyโ€™re coming, you need to be ready & waiting when they arrive. So if you hit that โ€œRequestโ€ button and youโ€™re standing in someoneโ€™s doorway, ripe and ready to leave, and people are debating some obscure topic likeโ€ฆ.

Me: Thank you for the lovely evening. Dinner was great and it was nice to see you.

Them: Thanks, how are you getting home?

Me: Weโ€™re taking the metro.

Them: Oh? Which metro?

Me: Line 13.

Someone Else Who is Getting Ready to Leave: Is that the one that passes by the Pompidou Center?

Me: No, itโ€™s not. (At this point, a few other guests gather โ€™round..)

Another Person, Also Getting Ready to Leave: The Pompidou Center? Mais oui! There is a good exhibition of 1950โ€™s ink blotches there.

Another Guest (Not Ready to Leave, but Not Wanting to be Excluded from A Conversion Where They Can Get Their Word/Opinion In): I saw it, and itโ€™s not bad. But there is a better exhibition at the Musรฉe Branly on Mayan symbol-removing devices, that they offered the gods during the sacrifices, when they made a mistake.

(At this point, my head being lolling back, again.)

My Other Half (Somewhat Oblivious to the Difficulty I Am Having, Keeping my Eyes Focused): Mayans? There is a pizzeria near me called Mayan.

(At this point Iโ€™m wondering why anyone would name a pizzeria โ€œMayan,โ€ since pizza has nothing to do with Mexico, or Mayan culture. But Iโ€™m so tired, I let it pass.)

Our Host: Iโ€™ve eaten at the pizzeria and itโ€™s okay, but there is a pizzeria in the 10รจme that serves pizza like they do in Naples, although you can get a pizza with canned corn on it, too.

My Other Half: Have you been to Naples?

Our Host: Yes, we went last year. It was okay, but we prefer Sicily.

Another Guest: I just finished a book by a Sicilian historian, a 4381 page tome on the mores of Persephone. Have you read it?

Yet Another Guest: Ah, I have that book on Persephone on the pile of literature of my nightstand, which Iโ€™m planning on reading after I finish the books on top of it by Camus, Focault, Voltaire, and a few comic books. She was the daughter of Zeus. Wasnโ€™t she?

Guest #3: Daughter? Yes. And by the way, my daughter is graduating from high school soon.

Our Hostโ€™s Wife: Your daughter is that grown up? I havenโ€™t seen her in years.

Guest #2: Oh really? Well, weโ€™ll have to plan a get-together. What is she studying in school? Is it still the late Greco-Roman algorithm for the angles that they built the stairs leading up to their temples?

etcโ€ฆ

Because itโ€™s France, everyone wants to get in that all-important last word, which can prolong the goodbye at least an hour. Maybe two. Meanwhile, youโ€™re smartphone is dinging and vibrating away in your pocket, and your driver is pulling away because you donโ€™t want to be rude and interrupt while people are debating pizza, Italian cities, or comic books.

Like everything in the world, at least according to commentators on a certain news-style network in the states, this maybe can all be blamed on the media. The French have television shows that go on for hours, literally, where people talk and talk and talkโ€ฆand talk and talk and talk, while audience members sit behind them, perched on backless benches, listening to them intently. (A friend of mine was in the audience of one and he described the experience as agonizing. Which, in the name of diplomacy, Iโ€™m going to assume he was referring to those backless benches.) In America, people tend to speak in short sound-bites, no doubt moderating their discussions and cutting them short to make room for the copious amount of advertising. Another cultural difference: Iโ€™ve never seen a commercial for something like โ€œgoing commando,โ€ in France, which I saw the other day in the states. Which I sincerely wish I hadnโ€™t.

Another difference is that in Paris, youโ€™re required to say goodbye to everyone, personally, looking them in the eyes, before leaving any fรชte. Even if you havenโ€™t really talked to or interacted with someone, you need to go and shake their hand if theyโ€™re a man, or give them les bises (the kisses), if itโ€™s a woman. Although sometimes with women, you shake their hands if you donโ€™t know them very well when greeting them or saying goodbye. Unless youโ€™ve talked to them for an unspecified period of time at the party. But sometimes, you do bisou women when you meet them, if youโ€™re a man.

If youโ€™re a woman, generally you bisou other French women when meeting them, whether you know them or not in social situations. But men shake hands, in business and pleasure. Although some men bisou each other, depending on how well they know each other, often in family situations but it happens with close friends and you kind of need to use that few seconds upon greeting to size up each and every situation and figure out what approach youโ€™re going to take in that split second as youโ€™re leaning forward to say goodbye. Confused yet? If so, youโ€™ll be glad to know that there are French charts out there to help.

cartebise

[Chart Source: Combien de Bises]

As you can see, much depends on what part of France you live in. Sometimes you make les bises up to 4 times, although according to my Parisian partner, twice รงa suffit โ€“ or, is sufficient. (The chart actually says it can go up to 5, but Iโ€™ve not seen or experienced that. I could imagine if you had to bise fives times when leaving a party, if there were fifteen people in attendance, youโ€™d be responsible for a whopping seventy-five kisses. Iโ€™d need to start getting ready to leave around 9:15pm.)

Some people throw ya for a loop by starting with the opposite cheek. I start with right cheek to right cheek but have done some awkward nose bumping with people who do the opposite. (Iโ€™ve not determined what determines which side you start with.) With that, I gotta go because Iโ€™m exhausted just thinking about it. And Iโ€™ve got a few more hours before I can pieuter, or hit le sac.

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    • Jennifer

    The lengthy goodbye is one of those things that I just canโ€™t get used to. When I want to leave, I want to leave! So I usually just say a brief goodbye, do the requisite number of kisses as fast as possible and hightail it out of there.
    Iโ€™m sure some people consider it rude, but once the giant, painful yawns start in, all I can focus on is getting home and into bed!

    • Judy

    David, you are the funniest writer! I so look forward to your blog updates & this one is indeed priceless!
    Love you soooo much. Never change. Your honesty is funny, direct and charming.

    • J.S. @ Sun Diego Eats

    Brazil is similar, you must greet (handshake or kiss depending in M or F) every single person when you arrive and then do the same before you leave. Even if there are 25 people all sitting around a long table you must slowly go around and kiss every person there. Now that I live in California I have slowly tried to migrate in the opposite direction, more Irish goodbye.

    And number of kisses varies by region as well, one in Sao Paulo, two in Rio and three in the North!

    • Anne / Prรชt ร  Voyager

    Iโ€™ve definitely stayed later than I want to at parties just so I donโ€™t have to say good by to everyone (specifically the ones I never talked to). But Iโ€™ve also started to โ€œghostโ€ at times. Saying goodbye is impossible when youโ€™re exhausted!!

    • soozzie

    You may linger over your French goodbyes unless your hostess brings out a tray of orange juice. In that case, drink up, say good night and hit the road. We thought this was an urban myth, but then it happened to us one night. And then I began to notice that all of our French friends have orange juice in their fridges, even though none of them ever seems to drink it. It is there simply because they may need it one night, when the guests refuse to go home. Voila!

    • Hillary

    This made me laugh out loud! But what of the host who wants to get rid of his guests? When we were visiting Paris we read in a travel guide that if you are visiting a French home, and the host offers herbal tea or orange juice, that means the evening is over and you should say your goodbyes, rather than accept the beverage. (We did visit our friend and her French boyfriend for dinner one night, and he DID offer us herbal tea at the end of the evening, although he swore that he wasnโ€™t trying to get rid of us when we teased him about itโ€ฆ)

    • Su

    David, thank you this was hilarious! I am hearing you and can totally relate to your preference of being โ€˜inโ€™ rather than โ€˜outโ€™! I can certainly handle les bises (having Italian heritage) much more than the long farewellsโ€ฆ

    • Sara

    Hilarious. As a newbie Paris expat, who just this weekend experienced the eyes-falling-into-their-sockets scenario at a dinner party, I can relate. I didnโ€™t want to be the one to suggest leaving first, but as soon as someone didโ€”looooong after weโ€™d all licked our trifles clean and polished off the wineโ€”I was all, โ€˜Oh Iโ€™m going to get going as well.โ€™ Then I just felt like a copycat. Cโ€™est la vie.

    • Kari

    Hilarious! I frequently feel that way at American parties, I donโ€™t know how Iโ€™d do it there!
    Kari

    • Stephanie

    The real problem with these late French evenings is when people have brought along their kidsโ€ฆ.who are pretty good but they start to melt down around midnight yet the parents donโ€™t seem to understand it is time to leave. I often have 4-6 kids at my house breaking down at 2amโ€ฆ..what are the parents thinking!?!? My husband says the parents are having a good time and I should take it as a compliment, but I am going to start requesting they get a sitter and come childless because I cannot take it!!

    • Russ Trapani

    Wonderful story here David.. Iโ€™ve been to France 8 times, love the social times with friendsโ€ฆ.I so miss it there.

    • eMarketingDoctor

    Great article, David. The one thing (conspicuously) missing is gay men *always* seem to bisou upon first meeting. If you stick out your hand, the will look at you like you have 13 heads. This is particularly confusing when you know youโ€™re in โ€œmixedโ€ company (str8 & gay)โ€ฆthis is where my bad gaydar reveals itselfโ€ฆbecause, straight men tend to stiffen up when you go in for a biseโ€ฆbut by the time you figure it out, itโ€™s too lateโ€ฆyouโ€™ve already committed to kissing. Ah, Parisโ€ฆ

    /joseph

    • Richard Ewen

    Besides your cooking knowledge your writing is always interesting and in this instance very funny. I was lucky to meet and work under a Frenchman when I got out of school and moved to LA. We shook hands at the start and finish of every day. My art-major co-workers laughed at his habits but I liked him and we had a great friendship. It prepared me to be interested in learning customs in other countries when I finally got away and began regularly traveling in Europe.
    As to breaking away from evening gatherings I am afraid I would have been forgotten and uninvited within a year or so were I to move to Paris to live. Of course that would depend upon meeting enough people in the first place.

    • emily

    My brother in law is Argentinian and he takes about an hour (I am not kidding) to leave even the smallest gathering. All of his friends are the same- itโ€™s quite annoying if you have to wait for him to tell/be told yet another story while youโ€™re standing there at the door with your coat on. On the other hand my friend is Italian and her parents would always offer what she called the โ€˜f***k off coffeeโ€™ โ€“ the coffee that they would offer you at the end of the evening to give you the hint that it was time to go. Iโ€™ve started doing this too โ€“ itโ€™s a great way of politely telling visitors to hit the road.

    • Amy -Hunting Valley, Ohio

    David, clearly you are my twin. I also LOVE coming home after being out. Sometimes I dream of being placed under house arrest. You made me laugh out loud with your description of trying to say goodnight amid talk of pizza, Mayan sacrifices and daughters graduating from high school. Itโ€™s funny to me that you say youโ€™re not particularly sociable because I read your blog and wonder where you get the energy to keep up what is to me a very active social calendar! Thanks for this marvelous French slice-of-life.

    • Matea

    I can definitely relate to you about sleep: the older Iโ€™ve gotten the earlier Iโ€™ve been wanting to go to sleep. And the part about trying to leave and everyone basically keeps saying โ€œbye;โ€ the struggle is real :)

    • Sara

    Well, I sinned at the first party I was invited to in Paris! My brain was so frazzled from trying to understand and speak French that I just plain forgot to bid every single person au revoir. The American South is just the same, minus the bisesโ€ฆit takes at least an hour to leave any gathering, be it friends, family, whatever. So why do I think my natural impatience will find a home in France? MDR! And thanks for so many great blogs. I loved seeing you at the American Library this spring but I couldnโ€™t stand to wait in the line at the end, I needed to get home and into my jammiesโ€ฆ

    • Annita

    Thank you, David. I now have an explanation that I can share when we try to explain why all of the parties our French relatives have when we visit them go on forever, like the Christmas Eve dinner this past year that lasted from 8pm to 4:30 am! And why, when we left a lovely Sunday evening French soirรฉe at 11:30 pm because we were still jet-lagged, another guest said, โ€œBut itโ€™s early!โ€ Fortunately we were able to use the fact, on New Yearโ€™s Eve, that the Line 13 was closing at 1:40 am and we had to be home before then!

      • David
      David Lebovitz

      I havenโ€™t quite figured out why people want you to hang around for so long. I love seeing my friends, inviting them for dinner. And I enjoy being invited to parties and dinners as well. Am wondering if itโ€™s part of the politesse to not show that you are ready for guests to go home, or that youโ€™re tired and itโ€™s time to split.

    • Lucy @ La Lingua

    I recognise a lot of myself in this post; which worries me as Iโ€™m still at uni and apparently in the prime of my partying life! It doesnโ€™t matter how hard I try, I just canโ€™t keep my eyes open past a certain point! 11pm โ€“ midnight is usually my limit; please tell me it isnโ€™t going to get worse? At this rate Iโ€™ll be ready for bed before dinner is even served!!

    • Joรฃo Victor

    The les bises things reminds me of something we have here in Brazil: here in Rio we share two kisses, but in Sรฃo Paulo its only one, and when Paulistas come here they forget they have to kiss twice, and it makes them kind of lost. haha

    BTW Iโ€™ve just bought The Sweet Life in Paris. It was a surprise when I saw it in the bookstore, I had no idea thereโ€™s a Brazilian edition (translated to Portuguese! Which is great!). Will other of your works follow?

    • Lisa McNamara

    I think you need to watch the Bunuel film โ€œThe Exterminating Angel.โ€ It takes the whole notion to the ridiculous nth degree. Trust me, itโ€™s worth it:)

    • Amy B

    Thanks, David. This was fun to read. I read it out loud to my husband and we compared notes. He lived in West Africa for a few years where greeting and saying goodbye follow specific routines. After wishing each other โ€œpeaceโ€ several times (quickly), you need to inquire after each otherโ€™s family. So humane, though time-consuming, I guess. We both feel strongly about bidding our hosts good-bye after a party but I have to admit the kissing would take a little getting used to. ;-)

    • ron shapley(NYC)

    Is this a Woody Allen script ??? laugh, laugh, laugh.. Thanks Dave

    • Alyssa

    Lol, this is amazing.

    Iโ€™m an American expat living in Japan with lots of European friends. Goodbyes (and hellos) are the most awkward experience and I dread them. Thereโ€™s such a range of possibilities! Japanese people donโ€™t touch each other and just bow like crazy (unless theyโ€™re drunk and feeling international), some people shake hands, some Americans hug or kiss once if youโ€™re good friends, Europeans kiss everyone 2 or 4 times (even 6, apparently!). It kills me.

    Now Iโ€™m going to go curl up in a ball, horizontally.

    • Eva

    As a Dutch living in Paris with a French boyfriend, I totally get everything you wrote. I often give my boyfriend โ€˜the lookโ€™ to hint that I really, really would like to go home, but even than the process of leaving takes at least 45 minutes. Last summer we had friends over for lunch, they came at noon and left at 8 in the evening. All the time we were sitting at the lunch table, and it just never ended!

    And donโ€™t get me started on those tv shows, I stopped watching them, I just canโ€™t bring up the energy to listen to those endless monologues.

    But, even for a non French, the way waiters in the US present you with the check right after you took your last bite is a strange (even rude) experience. I remember a waitress asking me if I wanted another drink, and when I said โ€˜no, thanksโ€™ she gave me the check that she apparently had ready behind her back :-)

    Ah cultural differences, you got to love them!

      • David
      David Lebovitz

      Some visitors to Paris think the waiters are rude because it takes so long to get the check, but living outside the U.S., you see how โ€œrushedโ€ you feel when the check is brought as soon as you swallow that last mouthful. I have a friend in New York and sheโ€™s a doctor, and told me that sheโ€™s so busy that when she goes out for lunch, she asks for the check as soon as she gets her food (!)

    • Jan

    I went to school in Le Mans many years ago and 5 bises were mandatory when greeting friends. You had to arrive about half an hour before class because it was unthinkable to skimp on buses, or god forbid, skip someoneโ€ฆ

    • FoodCrafters

    Haha! I so love the โ€œbisesโ€ infographic! Seems like a whole new world opens up when one puts on a map how many bises to do where!

    • Lynn D.

    My husband grew up in Idaho but went to college in the East. His roomateโ€™s parents were prominent intellectuals with a lovely Park Avenue apartment. He went to a large dinner party there one night and was rather confused by the good-bye rituals. His hostess explained it to himโ€“Gentiles leave without saying good-bye, Jews say good-bye without leavingโ€“. Seems you could substitute various ethnic groups here. Bye the way, my son recently moved to Chile, where he reports they serve corn on pizza.

    • Susan

    I am so thrilled to be getting your blogposts! I have your cookbook and have loved reading it from cover to cover.

    • Sally Newton

    I know this is going to hard to believe, but itโ€™s worse in Brazil. And trust me, I was born and raised in Sao Paulo, and I lived in France for three years.

    Sao Paulo beats Paris by a long shot ;-)

    with the added complexity that if you are invited for dinner at 8pm, better be ready to arrive at 10pm and start eating at midnight. I am not making this up.

    Vive la difference! ;-)

    • Karen Hall

    Iโ€™m sure you know the American saying:
    โ€œSoutherners say goodbye and donโ€™t leave; Northerners leave and donโ€™t say goodbye.โ€

    • georgeanne

    You completely nailed it.

    • Brian Huggler

    I canโ€™t even tell you how loud I laughed when I read this and then the chart top it all off! Thanks so much for sharing and brightening up and otherwise gloomy day here in Michigan.

    • susan

    We have experienced the same thing living in Italy. I have a group of women who come on Saturday night for English class. I told them when Americans leave, they leave! So now they all leave when I stand up but they stay outside beneath my window to say proper good byโ€™s for another 15 minutes.

    • on the pond

    Not going to complain about saying goodbye to my 76 cousins again! And I donโ€™t have to kiss then all either!

    • Alice

    I have a male cousin (he is Polish) who loves to bisou everyone! The American males in the family โ€œfreak outโ€ every time. My brother in law has even perfected the locked arm handshake to prevent any type of kissing.

    • betsy

    how funny, i love this. you really nail the restaurant work experience. my favorite part though is the bakerโ€™s dinner: a bag of tortilla chips and salsaโ€“an explanation for my (baker) partners addiction to chips and salsa!
    thanks
    psโ€“as a mid-west american i am often taken aback by a handshake, stranger hugs and kisses OMG. i think i might have some personal space issues:)

    • peggy amante

    David โ€“

    Do you know that old poem:

    Go if you like,
    Stay if you choose,
    But for heavenโ€™s sake,
    Just donโ€™t ooze!

    • Jennifer

    My motherโ€™s family is from Mexico, so I grew up giving hello and good-bye kisses, hour- long greetings. Growing up in LA, hugs seem more traditional between friends, (unless the friends are European or from Latin American countries). I often end up kissing people on the ear, thinking Iโ€™m receiving a kiss, and wellโ€ฆ..no, I just kissed another person on the ear.

    Also, if you think it takes a silly long time to give so many kisses for hello and good-bye, have you ever watched this on television?
    I may be caught on a bad day watching a reality show, possibly set in New York or Beverly Hills, (for the morbid curiosity), and the helloโ€™s drag on forever. Nobody can decide whether a hug, kiss, double kiss. Has anyone ever thought of settling it once and for all??? I for one am tired of greeting ears.

    • Stanley warmbrodt

    I was afraid that TWO HOUR GOOD BY meant that you were stopping your column !

    • Wendi

    As most of our friends gatherings are on Saturday nights and I work the brunch at our cafรฉ every Sunday I simply can not do the late Saturday nights anymore-especially after a full shift on Saturday. Actually itโ€™s the perfect excuse as I too now have โ€œlolling headโ€ that usually hits me btwn 23:00-23:30. So what I do now is except the invites but I ask the hostess if sheโ€™d mind if I slipped out just before dessert. The problem is if I stay until after dessert and then start saying goodnight then other people start leaving, itโ€™s a domino effect-and thatโ€™s not fair to the host/hostess. It seems to work out well.

    • Jude

    Itโ€™s the same way in Costa Rica. You go to a party and kiss everyone there. Kids, babies, grandparents, the relatives from Panamaโ€ฆThen, when you leave, the kissing starts again. It wasnโ€™t too bad for me as I am almost 6 feet tall, I would just walk around and kiss people on top of their headsโ€ฆ..they knew I was leaving.

    • chris

    When hosting guests, as the hour got late, my wifeโ€™s grandfather would turn to her grandmother and say, โ€œwhy donโ€™t we go upstairs and let these nice people go home.โ€

    • susie keena

    Wonderful article! gosh, when I want to leaveโ€ฆ I just leaveโ€ฆ I would probably fail miserably in France and never be asked back again :(

    • Bonnie

    Perhaps les Franรงais have a hard time leaving because they traditionally arrive late? Perhaps your โ€œtendanceโ€ to be socially reclusive is the reason you LIKE secreting away in a kitchen cooking and not the inverse. No matter Davidโ€”just stay happy and healthy most of the time โ€™cause I love your books and blog!

    • Joseph

    Iโ€™m an American living in Italy who has had to resort to putting on my robe and saying buona notte to my guests. They laughed and they left. Perfetto!

    • Marcella

    I feel your pain. I used to stay up half the night, too. Remember Maudeโ€™s on Cole/Carl? When that bar closed my friends would be knocking on my door fifteen minutes later looking to keep the party going!

    Now I go into a fugue state after ten pm.

    • Janice Chung

    Loved, loved, loved your post. So glad you included the Combien de bises chart! Your posts always make my day and put a smile on my face.

    • Corinne

    Hilarious! I relate, I am French married to a Romanian citizen whom I met in Canada, where we lived for 8 years. When we moved to France, the time we spent at the table for a meal & the time it took us to say goodbye used to drive him crazy โ€ฆ I just want to say to Anita who mentioned she stayed at the dinner table on Christmas Eve from 8pm to 4.30am that most of the French celebrate Christmas on Christmas Eve & not on the 25th like they do in the U.S or in Canada.

    • Lucy

    David! Iโ€™m just like you, I love my bed and when it reaches a certain time, I need to leave wherever I am no matter what, cause my pillow beckons me.

    • John Schnick

    Great column!
    Much as I love getting together with Parisian friends, the long goodbyes and late hours can be a trial. My natural rhythm seems to be: bed by 10:00 and up at 5:00. You can take the boy out of the farm, but you canโ€™t take farm out of the boy.

    • Beverly Mire

    Love this, thank you. Iโ€™m with you. Itโ€™s gotten so bad sometimes that I just leave and tout les personnes ask the next day, what happened? Theyโ€™re friends, theyโ€™ve gotten used to it.

    • Fiona

    OMGโ€ฆ.Iโ€™m a Canadian wintering in the Languedoc. Going to a dinner party on Saturday night with 40 peopleโ€ฆ.will I ever get out of there? Will I have to start giving goodnight bisous 15 mins in so I can get round everyone?
    Thanks for all your posts Davidโ€ฆ.I love how funny and real you are.

    • malagamommy

    SOUNDS LIKE SPAIN. I always think its because they dont really invest in good beds so they donโ€™t really know how good it is to turn in early!

    • kathy

    Joy in readingโ€ฆHa! Love this little essay. Thank you for all โ€“ photos, food and words.

    • Domenica

    David,

    This blog post was the best! You are so funny, I was crying from laughing so much.
    Thanks for the laughs!

    • CoffeeGrounded

    I now understand why my grandmothers suppers would last for hours.

    Honey Bunches, kisses from you would be a treat. Remind Romain that I am an old lady and I am (pretending) joking.

    • Parisbreakfast

    I have actually fallen asleep at the dinner table. Out like a light. Works a charm. Being a morning person has its advantages.

    • Eric

    Thank you for helping me narrow down my retirement country list.

    • Mary F.

    Your article and the responses were some of the wittiest Iโ€™ve read in years, helped me forget Iโ€™m living thru one of NYโ€™s coldest winters! As a fellow professional I also agree with being on good terms with the dishwasher, or else! I have worked in restaurants all my life and its true no matter where Iโ€™ve worked; dis the dishwasher at your peril!

    • Kiki

    lolโ€ฆ. I start the bisous on the left side ;) Is that because in Switzland we give/receive THREE kisses?
    thanks for this, my lunch guests have just left NOW @ 4:30pmโ€ฆ (arrived @10:15โ€ฆ.)! But I love them and Now Iโ€™m going to clean up the kitchen!

    • Catherine Saxton

    Apparently, I had an Irish Aunt, who mom would visit with her friends. This was in Boston in the late 40โ€™s, early 50โ€™s. It was well known that when Nora would start removing hair pins, it was time to leave. My mom is 87 now. When sheโ€™s had enough of us, sheโ€™ll tell us sheโ€™s removing her hair pins, there are none. :) I appreciate your writing and photos. Have a lovely day!

    • Mimivac

    I was born in Istanbul and grew up in Michigan. As a kid, my worst nightmare was attending (by force) the endless gatherings at the home of my parentsโ€™ friends. Saying โ€œgoodbyeโ€ meant an hour or more standing at the door talking to the hosts. It was excruciating for an unbearably shy pre-teen, since, eventually, questions about my school activities, etc. were aimed at me. The experiences so annoyed me that I now try to avoid saying goodbye at all costs. When I leave, I leave.

    • Tina L.

    This is so funnyโ€ฆI feel somewhat vindicated-my French heritage must be coming out, because my husband always refers to my family as โ€œthe family of long goodbyesโ€. He now knows to tell me heโ€™d like to leave about an hour before he actually *wants* to leave.

    • Erica De Mane

    This probably wouldnโ€™t work in Paris, in fact they may find it intriguing, but a sure fire way to get people to leave my house after a dinner party is to put on Phil Ochs albums, and I mean albums, the old scratched up ones Iโ€™ve had since the 70s. Something about him just clears the room in a Manhattan minute.

    • Kelly

    Youโ€™re not old yet! Because I promise you, the urge to be home and in bed at a decent hour, well, letโ€™s just say the โ€˜decent hourโ€™ moves farther and farther south, until before you know it, youโ€™re engineering all your invitations to happen for lunch, or better, brunch! Thank you for a hilarious culture commentary.

    • Robert Levineq

    David:

    I couldnโ€™t find a better place to leave this comment. Two suggestions that you may wish to check out for your pastry app: Edwart Chocolatier, 17 rue Vielle du Temple, a new place with extremely elegant ganaches, and Au Petit Versailles du Marais, 27 rue Francois Miron, a gorgeous pastry shop with excellent things made by a meilleur ouvrieur de France.

    • Helen McHargue

    My sister was a master at the long goodbye. It took at least two hours, even if I was alone. It seemed the act of leaving triggered memories of everything she wanted to show me over the prior month or whenever I had last seen her. Iโ€™d always plan the goodbye time into my schedule so I wouldnโ€™t have to cut her off or leave abruptly, after only an hour or so of goodbye. Sadly, sheโ€™s gone now and Iโ€™d give my eye teeth for just one more of those crazy goodbyes.

    • chou

    If you are confused for the cheek : start usually with the right one in Paris, the other for the โ€œProvinceโ€. People can also improvise though ;)

    • anna@icyvioletskitchen

    i used to struggle in france with the very long meals and the very long goodbyes that succeeded them. i look back with regret now on my impatience, but really. EVERYTHING TOOK SO LONG!

    • Wendy in Brittany

    So hilarious to wake uo to this! I soooooo relate โ€ฆ.. Methinks that the Long French Goodbye is sort of a combo platter of the complicated politesse rules here, the loooooovvvveeee of talking, and the worship of social gatherings (no matter how awkward). I always remarked upon my French-born husbands penchant for long chats with everyone here, now I realize it is a cultural norm. Finally I am getting into it a bit, but I too have trouble at night when I want to leaveโ€ฆโ€ฆ

    My fave part of this piece is the faithful recreation of the actual conversation โ€ฆ.. Even when I am dying to leave, I appreciate the interesting turns of French conversation!

    • sharon

    Thanks for the amusing post!

    • Vera

    Iโ€™m right there with you! I come from the Czech Republic (where people hardly ever kiss in social situations, though it is becoming a bit more common) and live in the Netherlands where 3 kisses are customary โ€“ but it is unclear which cheek you should start with. Another confusing habit: when you go to a birthday party, you are expected to congratulate not just the person celebrating their birthday but also anyone related to them and possibly any close friends, too. Even after having lived here in 15 years and despite being fluent in Dutch there are some occasional embarrassing momentsโ€ฆ

    • Susan

    I canโ€™t put my finger on when we in the US became so European in our social manners. At first, I started noticing how people handled silverware. They kept the fork in their left hand and ate with it, upside-down, and were hanging onto their knife to use to push food onto the fork as well as cut meat with it. Having been taught to only hold the fork in the left hand while cutting meat, then switching hands when spearing the meat to eat it, the Continental way looked and felt so awkward to me but the logic and simplicity of it made so much sense! It still looks like people I had known for a long time, who had previously been eating the โ€œAmerican wayโ€ were putting on airs! Iโ€™m accustomed to it now but still forget and eat the way I was taught!

    Then came all the hugging and cheek kissing. That was really awkward for me. A smile, a nod of the head and how do you do and/or some other small comment at an introduction is all thatโ€™s necessary when meeting someone, especially a new someone! It really puzzles me that people find it reasonable to be so physically personal yet are offended if you ask questions that they think are too personal!

    • lorenzo

    Ah, cultures & subcultures. Hereโ€™s the New York version of the phenomenon:

    Jews say good-bye and donโ€™t leave. Protestants leave and donโ€™t say good bye.

    • luka

    The back of the restaurant kitchen is not different anywhere. I totally understand you about the ability of being invisible learned throughout the years.

    In Brazil you may add soccer aside sex as subjects would make you master the unsociability. lol

    In Sรฃo Paulo, 1 kiss. In Rio 2 kisses. But you arrive or left the parties the time you want.

    • Dewi

    You are so so so funny David. I couldnโ€™t stop laughing. I used to read your post first thing in the morning, but now I read it before I go to bed. I think itโ€™s really nice to be able to laugh before going to sleep. Good night!

    • Susan

    I too wish I had not seen the โ€˜commandoโ€™ commercial. I thought it interesting that they chose a young woman with a British accent to ask the questions. Loved the baked pears. I used cinnamon sugar since I already had a shaker full at hand.

    • June Molloy Vladiฤka

    Hilarious! Itโ€™s a bit like an Irish wedding โ€“ itโ€™s just impossible to leave! On which cheek to kiss first, my experience has shown that it depends on which hand the person writes with. If they are right-handed they are inclined to go for the right cheek first and if left-handed the left cheek. Not sure that helps, though, unless you know the person well!

    • Louise Yenovkian

    Oh yes โ€“ how true. Most European cultures take their time in saying โ€œgood byeโ€ As an American Armenian โ€“ there are foreheads kissed, 2 hour good byes, eating of more food, one more espresso, an argument thrown in, more kissesโ€ฆ.. this event goes on for hours. The only way to leave is to โ€œescape unseen also known just get up and leave!!!โ€ I would not change any of it! Keep cultures and rituals intact. Makes the world a more interesting place.

    • Allson

    Dear David, I found your account of the goodbye conversation hilarious !!! Such a typical example of the weird directions a discussion can veer off on.

    • Ann

    In Australia we do things differently. First the guest says they are leaving so there is a 20-30 minute chat in the lounge before they stand up. Then there is another 15-20 minute chat till they reach the door. Once outside we chat with them at the doorstop for about another 20 minutes and eventually walk them to the car. Once there we all stop and chat for a further 15-30 minutes until you get into the car. When you get into the car the men talk together and the women talk together for a further 20 minutes, then everyone decides they are in a hurry and the guests drive off. We stand there waving till they are out of reach as they wave their hands out of the car windows, Its a very very very looooong goodybye here and it happens every night somewhere. I am friends with other nationalities and the goodbyes are super quick, I always feel deflated when I leave as they just walk off and leave us alone to drive off into the dark night.

    • Neal

    You have filled me with dread. My wife and I are moving to France in two months. I dread parties for this very reason. Iโ€™m always the first person ready to go. It seems like everyoneโ€™s said what they have to say two hours in. My tactic, much to my wifeโ€™s horror, when the party is at our house is to announce when itโ€™s time for everyone to leave. They often donโ€™t believe meโ€ฆ Love your blog!

    • Deepak

    LOL love the part of kisses

    • Gloria

    hah you always make me laugh OMY! but these things not only happens in France (believe me) Im not too social :)
    Love how you talk about this!

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